Avoiding The Stink Of High Yield – How Much Is Too Much?
It’s long been a goal of mine to have a dividend income that roughly matches our family’s annual expenses. I say *roughly*, because in any given year we might have a random irregular expense that causes us to overspend our cash generation a little.
(The purchase of a new car, an expensive family vacation, or repairing the roof on our home would be good examples of this)
This year, I’m going to be pretty close to that goal (assuming I meet my 2019 dividend growth plans).
It’s no secret that having significant cash flow from investments is a good thing. During inopportune market moments we’re not forced to sell assets to meet our cash requirements. We’re also not forced into poor capital allocation decisions that would favor lower annual cash requirements. (For example, I can continue to hold onto my mortgage without worry because of our significant cash flow)
Yet I actually try to talk down other investors trying to replace job income with dividend income. Why?
High yields kind of stink. Investors often make the critical mistake of chasing unreasonably high yields, in unwitting attempts to reach their dividends goals sooner.
Our Portfolio Yield
Let me say it again — Chasing high yield is a dangerous activity I actively recommend investors avoid. Avoid it like a horrible disease!
Yes, you’ll gain a larger dividend income in the short-term, but longer-term you trade increased income for significantly increased risk — High yielding companies often have unsustainable high payout ratios, poor growth levels, and very high debt levels.
In a worse case scenario, the dividend could be cut — and this usually means vast under-performance.
There’s even evidence to suggest that high yield portfolios could increase your Sequence of Return Risk.
There’s always exceptions of course — Investments that can sustain high payout ratios and still keep debt levels manageable… even during a recession. But those are exceptions, rather than the norm. (In fact, I might cover some potential exceptions in my next post!)
Most of the time though, we want to avoid such high-yield investments.
So rather than continue to lecture on like some stodgy professor, I thought it best to teach by example. Here’s how our portfolio yield breaks down over the last few years:
Notice that the values above are only for our taxable accounts.
(As you can see, 2015 was an exceptional year for dividends and should not be considered our normal. This was a special case where one of our investments was purchased by another company, and that purchase included a large dividend payout. Under “normal” dividend conditions we would have only earned a portfolio yield of 3%. )
While 2019 isn’t over yet, I’m projecting dividend income of roughly $57k — which means a portfolio yield of around 2.68% this year. The final 2019 number could come out to be slightly higher or lower, but I wanted to provide a reasonable projection for 2019.
As you can see, our overall portfolio yield has drifted lower in recent years. There’s several reasons for this:
- Our cash pile is building up, due to expensive equity prices. Cash in our money markets earns roughly 2%.
- Many of the preferred shares we purchased back in 2009/2010 have been slowly redeemed in recent years. These have been replaced with lower yielding stocks.
- A intentional movement to “safer” equities as the bull market wears on.
Did you expect the yield to be higher? I bet you imagined it was! With the S&P 500 index yielding around 1.87%, I wouldn’t consider our 2.68% portfolio yield to be terribly high at all.
How Much Is Too Much?
After telling people all the wonderful reasons why they shouldn’t chase yield, the next question I always get is: “How much is too much dividend yield?”
Giving a decent answer to this question is a little tricky — it’s entirely dependent upon what you hold in your portfolio. A stock that yields 3% could still be less risky than another stock yielding 2%. It totally depends upon the stock price, the payout levels, debt levels, and even the industry in which the investment exists.
There’s no easy answer.
Knowing the great difficulty in making this kind of determination, I still tend to go by a few “rules of thumb” when finding safe dividend payers:
- Look for a payout ratio less than 60%. A payout ratio larger than 60% is potentially dangerous. There are exceptions to this rule, but investing in stocks that pay less than 60% of earnings are typically pretty safe.
- Look for stocks that maintain a debt to equity ratio under 1.5. Companies funded with too much debt (instead of equity) have a tendency to cut dividends when the going gets rough. I generally look for stocks with lower debt to equity levels.
- Avoid industries that have boom and bust periods due to fluctuating commodity prices. The oil industry is a great example of this. When oil prices were good, Kinder Morgan (Stock symbol: KMI) paid a very large dividend. All that changed in 2015 when the price of oil crashed and KMI needed to cut their dividend by 74%. Despite 3 more years of bull market, the stock price has yet to recover.
- Search for investments that have the ability to grow by investing excess free cash flow (aka internal compounding). If the company needs to borrow significantly or issue equity in order to grow, this could be a warning sign. (Especially in an era of rising interest rates!)
Are these rules of thumb perfect? No, absolutely not! Sometimes even when you adopt fairly conservative guidelines like this, the world can throw stinkers at you…
Beware Fallen Angels With High Yield
It stands to reason that companies that pay dividends are loath to cut that dividend when they run into trouble. They obviously don’t want to be tainted with the “dividend cutter” status, because that leads to massive share under-performance.
As a result, companies will do whatever they can to maintain to an already established dividend. Some will even sacrifice the future health of the company to pay present dividends.
“Fallen Angels” are stocks that were once the darling of stocks investors — known for being titans of industry, with fast growing stock prices, reasonable leverage levels, and growing dividends. For one reason or another these “Angels” fall on hard times. Profits decline, and suddenly that once conservative dividend yield becomes a very big problem.
General Electric (Stock Symbol: GE) is one such “Fallen Angel” that’s fallen from the heavens in recent years. Back in the 1990’s and early 2000’s, GE was growing earnings and dividends at an incredible clip. It was a titan of industry. Then in 2008 it faltered, and profitability declined. The business never recovered, yet the stock continued to pay it’s quite large dividend…. never cutting it despite continued earnings shortfalls.
IMHO, the need to maintain that high dividend relative to low earnings significantly contributed to the decline of GE.
It’s a situation that sucked in many great investors, thinking the “Fallen Angel” would return to its once former position among the heavens. Unfortunately GE cut it’s dividend last year, and it looks increasingly unlikely to ever recover it’s former titan status.
GE’s definitely got ‘the stink’ on it now.
So let this be a lesson to investors: Beware fallen angels offering high yield. Reputation alone cannot support a large dividend. Only cash flow from a profitable business can be used to pay dividends. While short-term borrowing can sustain a bad quarter or two, investors should keep a VERY close eye on the financials when this happens.
As Warren Buffett once said, “Turnarounds seldom turn.”
In general, I try avoid Fallen Angels for exactly this reason. Investors tend to focus too closely on the dividend yield and past glories, not on the current conditions of the business. (A deteriorating business rarely goes back into growth mode.) This what I call a value trap.
If you’re curious, I also have a few additional thoughts on avoiding value traps that might be useful.
Retirees are often look to replace job income with investment income, and they frequently fall for the trap of hunting for high yield. It’s a dangerous trap to fall into, and it stinks when you get caught.
Even the great companies of today (with reasonable dividend yields) can become the high-yield monsters of tomorrow. What looks safe today, might look entirely unsafe under different economic conditions. It’s important to remember that the world is always changing, and high yields are one way investors get tripped-up.
That’s not to say dividends are a bad thing. Not at all! Income is an incredibly important part of investing, and should not be entirely discounted in favor of 100% capital appreciation. Both internal and external compounding should play a part in your portfolio.
Just don’t over do one or the other.
Now it’s your turn — Care to share your portfolio yield in the comments below?
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20 thoughts on “Avoiding The Stink Of High Yield – How Much Is Too Much?”
I try to focus on dividend growth as well. High yield never really worked out for me. Either the price stays low for a long time or they cut the dividend. I need to check my yield, but I think it’s around 2.5%. That seems pretty safe to me.
Yeah, 2.5% isn’t that much. I wouldn’t get too worried. 😉
I may have fallen into this trap, with a portfolio yield of 3.65%, however I do have a few energy companies plus REIT’s and a bit of tobacco that have high yields and offsets the low yielders like V and DIS. While I have been hit with dividend cutters (GE and KHC) my year over year income continues to tick higher at a compounded 16% over the past five years.
2019 forecasts dividend income of $106k on a portfolio that currently at $2.9M, also an after tax portfolio.
I will need to keep a close eye on quarterly financial performance given that we are very long in the tooth on this expansion and are due for a recession now.
3.65% might be a little on the high side. That’s an average of course, so I’m sure you’ve got equities that yield both more and less.
It’s those that remain on the higher side you might want to consider trimming or reducing.
I made the same mistake as you when I started in DGI by chasing yield. I learned fast that high yield = higher risk. Nowadays I focus more on dividend growth. 🙂
The size of your portfolio makes ours look tiny lol.
It’s not size that matters, but how much you can grow it! 😉
Slowly but surely, I’m shifting to a focus on dividends, but I’m still pretty agnostic if I think the business is using its cash wisely. As we become more and more passive, we’ll focus more, and hopefully play the fear v. greed game well 🙂
Dividends aren’t nearly as important as realizing good returns on *incremental* capital.
Actually, high dividends are often a signal that management doesn’t have good places to put the money for incremental investment.
GLIBP is interesting. Well covered in terms of assets, reasonably covered in terms of cash flow, and it’s cumulative, with punative increase in dividends if they don’t pay. When it pays 7% or above it’s a good plus to the portfolio imo. Do your own due diligence of course.
Hi – totally agree. People forget (often) that higher returns = high risk. You see at the end of every boom time.
You might also put high yield debt into this bucket as well. if your government bonds are paying 2% and you’re getting 6%+ on your bonds, you need to ask what risk you’re taking.
On debt / equity ratio, I’d add one footnote. It’s not relevant for financial services entities, especially banks (who usually pay good strong dividends).
Banks are a perfect exception to that rule of thumb. Like I said, there’s always exceptions to the rule.
Cool post Tako, even though I don’t pick individual stocks I enjoy reading your strategies
Thanks Dave! 🙂
There is no such thing as a free lunch. If something looks too good to be true, then it probably is.
If the dividend yield is too high, then you need to really dig deeper to understand why. People need to keep in mind there are many investors out there also looking for high dividend yielding stocks. This will keep most dividend yields at the market rate. If a particular dividend yield is significantly higher, than you need to do additional research to see if the market is right or wrong in their assumptions about that stock.
You can still try to outperform the market on dividend yield but a lot of homework needs to be done.
Yes indeed. Some people can succeed at it, but *usually* chasing yield is a bad idea.
A problem I had with higher yield stocks was it always seemed the stock price didn’t substantially appreciate. I used to own AT&T with a 6% yield give or take when I first started investing. I didn’t lose money, but the stock would go up $5 or $6 and then go down so that overall it wasn’t that great considering the S&P500 return was usually 12-13% during those years. AT&T pretty much stayed around $35. It might drop toward $30 or even go up to $40, but would always eventually come back to $35 approximately.
Hi Mr Tako,
I just remembered my days of chasing yield back in 2011. Honestly, I had not much clue what I was doing by that time. Nowadays, after many reading and learning, I believe that I’m a little wiser than in the past.
Anyway, answering your question, the net yield of the portion of my portfolio related to Passive Income was 2.80% for 2018. In 2019, so far, 2.78%
All the best.
What do you think of REITs or crowd funding real estates investments such as fundrise? They often pay high dividends. What do you think of their risks and performance during next recession?
Some REITs are conservatively managed, but they are required by law to distribute 90% of taxable income. This severely limits growth opportunities by definition. Those laws may cause REITs to over leverage in the thirst for growth. Or, they dilute shareholders by issuing new shares to fund purchases. I’ve seen both happen.
I’m not familiar with fundrise, but crowd funded investing is too new to make fact based decisions about how that will perform. I don’t see any huge advantages that would merit such risk.
Thanks for the insights Mr. Tako. I’ve been hurt badly by a couple REITs that did new issuings so I can testify at least that point is very true.
I’ve also invested through Realtyshares and you know what happened later 🙁
May be to get the best risk adjusted return is to go back to old school investing and avoid these new trends.